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Spontaneous and not-so-spontaneous urban riots are not uncommon in the United States. Class-warfare riots reminiscent of the French Revolution like those taking place in Britain, however, are not an American phenomenon; but are they about to become one?

From the 1909 Greek Town riots in Omaha to the 1965 Watts and 1992 Rodney King riots in Los Angeles, U.S. riots have occurred when incidents involving ethnicity or race have set off pent-up anger and frustration. They got out of hand when people took advantage of those situations to loot stores and attack innocent victims. (More)


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57 Responses

  1. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Department of Defense

    There is an implied question within your question: “Has American society changed…culturally and morally…to allow class warfare riots to be possible?” Unfortunately, I think it has. The combination of two trends should be analyzed against historical references: First, the increasing number and agressiveness of claims that federal social welfare programs (including medical insurance coverage) are fundamental human rights. Second, the decline of the judeo-christian ethic; the advance of moral relativism. These trends in combination could give certain sectors of the population the conviction that they have the RIGHT to attack and steal from the wealthy. Interviews of the British rioters indicate the same sentiment.

    Posted by Joseph Lenertz

  2. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Politics on the Rocks

    Well, the causes of this are redundant labor supply. We simply have a growing number of workers who are no longer needed due to globalization shifting work to China. Then there’s also the technology that replaces workers.

    So my hunch is that we will see them in a few years. Why do you governments across the west are arming up their police and internal security apparatus?

    Posted by Peter Ireland

  3. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Department of Defense

    Society? Come on. It could happen anywhere. Would it escalate to the point that we saw in Britain… not likely. We have the National Guard and tear gas. I hope it’s a long time before I see another incident handled so poorly.

    Posted by Jeffrey Drehobl

  4. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    As long as there is public assistance checks the rioters will be held at bay. Take entitlement programs away the flash mobs will be commo place everywhere.

    Posted by Paul Daly

  5. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Department of Defense

    I do not want to see riots… Active protests, however, are long overdue. The society is being tortured. We have right to make our opinion count and not using it. Our rights are degraded too. Jeffrey, when you think of riots, why is your first reaction related to National Guard and tear gas and not to the long needed healing reforms…

    Posted by Lev Brodsky

  6. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Executive Network

    My prediction is yes. People are becoming more disillusioned and frustrated as jobs become un-obtainable, foreclosures continue, the perpurators of the economic collapse get ever more richer, and the cost od existing goes through the roof. I feel we are on the edge of a massive revolt and I predict it will start in New Jersey.

    Posted by Thomas Kesolits

  7. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation

    Yes they will. “Bottom up…top down”…inside out! It’s their strategy. The black panthers have been talking about it since 1965. Philadelphia, Wisconsin, New York, Chicago all seeing “flash mobs”. Curfew in Philadelphia.

    It’s all part of the plan. When the rioting from the “Entitlement Class” get’s bad enough Obama will declare martial law, and a new government will be formed.

    Watch this video….glenn beck and van jones discussing it….

    Posted by Teresa Pratt

  8. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Conservatives of America

    Philadelphia is already having problems with “flash mob” violence.

    If the spending cuts that need to happen, happen, then I only see it increasing. The riots that are happening all over Europe are happening because European governments were finally forced into austerity measures. Those types of cuts will have to happen here if we are every really to get control of our debt issues. When people who only know how to live off of the government suddenly lose those benefits they will riot.

    Posted by Morris Watson

  9. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Politics on the Rocks

    Ed, look around. They have been happening. Black youths have been using flash mob technology for crimes in Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia and other US cities for a while. It’s a brilliant tactic. People who don’t know each other converge on an unsuspecting business, event or home. They commit whatever crime they want (usually assault and robbery) and then they vanish into whatever rathole they came from. Good luck stopping them. If you are lucky enough to arrest one they don’t know any of the other perps or who originated the messages they got. You can’t stop the info from flowing either. San Francisco recently stopped a flash mob by shutting the whole cellular phone network down. You can’t do that every time you get a tip.

    Posted by Maxwell Repplemeyer (LIGER)

  10. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation

    I think so.

    What’s sad is that there was once a time when America would pull together during a crisis. My mom told me that during WWII kids would go around collecting metal and things to donate for the war cause. During the Great Depression my mom said people would help each other. What’s different now is that people will riot in the street because they are losing their entitlements. No one had entitlements in my parent’s day. They were only concerned about preserving the country so their children would have a better life. Their own lives were of no concern — only their neighbors’ and their children. Where is the spirit of selflessness in today’s age???

    Posted by Nicholas “Nick” Voss

  11. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Intelligence Forum

    I can’t see it happening – that doesn’t mean frustrations won’t reach the boiling point with some individual. I suspect you may sporadic events, yet nothing on the UK’s level.

    Posted by Matthew Kennedy

  12. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    I do feel that riots such as these will start in US. People are frustrated with foreclosures and fact that the instigators of our current economic problems were rewarded rather than chastised. Considering our unique tax situation, I can see this starting in New Jersey.

    Posted by Thomas Kesolits

  13. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Conservatives of America

    Morris is right. When a government convinces its populace that they are ENTITLED to live off the labors of others, the entitled believe they are being wronged when the well runs dry. The entitled will blame those who labor to support them and riots will erupt.

    I see this as part of the plan. This President will not hesitate to invoke martial law as soon as possible, completing his grip on every aspect of American life.

    It’s all part of the plan.

    Posted by George Daggett

  14. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: U.S. Veteran

    Very interesting article. However, while I feel tensions are high and certainly my own civil rights have been violated more times than is even imaginable over the course of the last several months, this is America and cooler heads will prevail. I’m sure there will be the possibility of isolated incidents across the country as things get worse; and they will get worse before they get better. I can’t see what has happened in London, happening here.

    Posted by Robert Newberry

  15. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Naval Postgraduate School Alumni

    I never underestimate the ability of unscrupulous people to gin up a violent mob if they want to. We’ve seen a little of it already at the Wisconsin state fair, and in Philadelphia where flash mobs are looting and robbing their neighbors. Community agitators can stoke faux outrage, as they did in the “Rodney King” riots. It seemed everybody forgot that had the LAPD officers not intervened with their non-lethal techniques, King most likely would have been shot by the CHP officers. Did King take a beating, yes. He was a large and physically violent drunk driver resisting arrest, who had been stopped at the end of a long and dangerous chase exceeding 100mph. He had lunged at an officer and attempted to seize a firearm. King has had numerous subsequent violent confrontations which have landed him in jail. The point is that he was not just some random motorist harmlessly driving home and ruthlessly pulled over by the oppressive “racist” LAPD, which at the time and still is considered one of the most professional police forces in the nation. The riots did not take place immediately in reaction to the event, but rather months later after the policemen’s trial and subsequent acquital. They were about as spontaneous as a professional wrestling event. Community organizers had months to misrepresent the facts, aided by the local and national media that repeatedly ripped a 19 second clip out of its factual contact. And all we heard about was the “motorist” Rodney King this could have happened to any black man driving on the streets of Los Angeles. While Rodney King became a cause celebre, truck driver Reginal Denny was randomly and savagely victimized by a group of youths who beat him senseless, threw a brick at his head and danced around his fallen body. Politicians and demagogues like congresswoman Maxine Waters celebrated the rioting and made excuses for them, while condemning the brave Korean imigrant store owners, who dared to confront the mobs, and protect themselves and their property. As a consequence conditions in LA have continued to deteriorate. Not because the people are oppressed but because law enforcement has been completely emasculated and gangs control many of the neighborhoods affected by the riots. At the same time the LA city council has continued to ratchet up business taxes and restrictions on entrepreneurship to ensure those neighborhoods continue to remain dependent upon government welfare checks and other handouts. Don’t be surprised to see more the same. Lead a mob today and tomorrow you may have your own show on MSNBC. cheers.

    Posted by John Tucker

  16. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Center for a New American Security

    I talked to a British person recently, and she told me that police there are not allowed to have/carry/use any firearms… So, I think US Law Enforcement Agencies are better prepared to deal with riots.

    The use of populist rhetoric by some of our politicians (“spreading the wealth” instead of creating it, “fat cats”, and so on) is, of course, increasing the likelihood of riots.

    Posted by Alex Eden

  17. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation

    Look what happened in Madison, WI. We have already had it, (on a smaller scale). But it will happen again. Last night I watched John Stossel on FOX, he cited several examples of unionized public employee unions reacting violently to government reform. ie Puerto Rico, Wisconsin and Ohio.

    Posted by Hal Hughes

  18. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation

    We need to stand up to this, and crush them. If we don’t, we will be sorry, and we will pay the price with our freedom.

    Posted by Teresa Pratt

  19. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Naval Postgraduate School Alumni

    If you mean by the United States some liberal stronghold, sure, what’s to stop them? If you mean some small city in Virginia, Texas, Oklahoma, Utah, or similar, no. Too few institutional welfare cases and too many guns.

    Posted by Larry A. Grant

  20. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: U.S. Veteran

    As unemployment continues to hover just above 9% (the U6 rate is at 16%) and a substantial number of employers refusing to hire the unemployed, expect more anger among the unemployed. Even a modest home requires 2 incomes. As businesses and all levels of government reduce payrolls, mortgages will be foreclosed, families move back in with grandparents and many former taxpayers will have their unemployment run out and discover they do not qualify for any of the assistance programs they funded. With government bean counters and many employers ignoring those who have been unemployed, I foresee much anger among those who have been “right-sized” as CEOs and politicians continue to enjoy their perks.

    Posted by Tony Gonzalez, Sr.

  21. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Intelligence Forum

    Unfortunately, the climate is right for the public venting of accumulating frustrations mixed with a sense of unfulfilled entitlement in the streets of America. We have already seen this in microcosm in the flash-mob phenomenon morphing from street dancing to store invasions. Given the combination of restlessness, despair, and dissatisfaction resulting from the high rate of joblessness, the general economic situation, and the commonly held belief that we are ‘entitled’ to better, I believe we have already begun to see the seeds of the phenomenon now playing out in the UK.

    Posted by ILANA FREEDMAN

  22. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    I believe that affordable, or at least reasonable gas prices would help relieve some of the economic stresses for the masses at the ground level. People out of work have trouble travelling to an interview on fumes, and for those of us lucky enough to be gainfully employed, there is still a constant relentless pinch at the pump. For some folks, it takes a lot just to cover gas to and from their jobs. The trickle down effect from fuel prices takes a devestating toll on our economy in general. We need to find a way to decrease dependancy now. Financial pressures mount, jobs are lost, and people are on edge.

    Posted by Greg Munroe

  23. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    I agree with Greg. In New Jersey, we horrendous property taxes. Many people pay more for the property taxes per month than they do on their mortgages. Couple this with our high cost of living here, something has to give. Our governor is trying to help but the public unions and the other politicos who are funded by these unions only think of their reelections. I can see people being pushed over the edge here.

    Posted by Thomas Kesolits

  24. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: U.S. Veteran

    You have to have a job in order to receive food stamps. For men who don’t have custody of their children and aren’t school aged or retirement age, there are no medical benefits. However, if you’re an illegal immigrant you get: subsidized housing, food stamps, as much food as every member living in a house can carry home from food banks, and a government payed college education plus you don’t ever have to pay taxes or buy car insurance.

    Posted by Robert Newberry

  25. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Department of Defense

    While the short term answer to violent rioting may well be the smack down of law enforcement forces, it certainly is not the long term answer. Force and intimidation works for the immediate problem, but as violence proliferates, it becomes harder and harder, resources get stretched, and chaos becomes a real possibility. The answer does, indeed, lie in the establishement (restoration?) of values which preclude the violence in the first place. I would suggest that the creation of a moral, economic, and political climate which promotes American pride and ethical decency is a much better deterrent to such violence than CS induced puking, bloody noses, and arrests.

    America has become a nanny state in which half the population pays no taxes while more than half receive some form of government assistance. The RIGHT to healthcare, the RIGHT to foodstamps, the RIGHT to a flat screen TV has become the societal norm. Being rich has become an evil thing rather than a goal. Earning has been replaced by demanding.

    My grandparents arrived on these shores with no money, no English skills, but a plethora of dreams and energy. They started with a push cart in the streets of New York and ended up with a family tradition of success. Americans today want to skip the pushcart and move straight into the corner office and the gated community. Our children learn to bowl in places where gutter balls are impossible, go to schools where everyone gets an “A” and everyone makes the team, and live in an environment of me… ME… MEEEE!!!!!

    We need to fix the family and home, not just buy more riot gear and CS.

    Posted by Robert Coleman

  26. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation

    To me it all ties back to government spending and the socialist agenda. This redistribution enables far to many people to survive just fine without having to work. And without work, they have too much time on their hands. Idle time = trouble.

    Again, IMHO, same issue in Palistine territories. They are given food and the basics (still a sorry life) and with no work, there is nothing to do but stir up trouble.

    Posted by Jerry Walling

  27. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation

    @Nicholas “Nick” Voss, this is so true what you speak about WWII as both my parents witnessed it first hand. We need to pull together as a country and speak up!!!

    Posted by Judith (Nicholson) Dietz

  28. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Naval Postgraduate School Alumni

    I agree with Larry. Endemic Civil unrest, especially in the heartland, would be rare due to the fact that more citizens are armed with guns, and would be willing to use them to protect their own safety and interests. But I think it would be possible to see general unrest happen in some cities, especially where there is a lot of joblessness.

    Posted by Dennis Trepanier PMP

  29. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    I disagree with Paul and his comment was pure asinine to assurme that only those who receive public assistance would riot. I wish we would stop the public assistance for every person who receives it. If I have to work then you should have to work ;if you choose to have 10 children then it should not be mine or yours responsibility to raise them. I pay more in taxes than some people make in 1 year, live a state with high property tax and where gas is almost $4.00 per gallon.

    I think its time we all said ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I think its irresponsible of of government to take 5 week vacation when so many of us are out of work or barely making ends meet. The backs of the American people are being broken by the lack of responsibility and greed our our elected leaders. The only power we have is to VOTE! So send a signal to Washington that we have had enough……VOTE. If you were in office and took a 5 week vacation, you are OUT!!!!!!!


    Posted by Angela E. Harris, MBA, Security+, GSLC

  30. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Intelligence Forum

    We are an armed citizenry in the United States. Rioting in the United States would not be as severe as in the UK.

    Assault rifles, sniper rifles, handguns are all legal for citizens to own in the US. Who will rob a store if the owner is standing outside with an AR-15?

    Look at the footage from the LA Riots. The Korean shot rioters right in the street.

    Posted by Craig Smith

  31. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    Angela makes some very, very good points. I do think that public assistance under certain circumstances has it’s place, but that the advantage taken to those programs by some folks is criminal. American families, from all levels of the economic strata are feeling it at the momen, and people that have the money to invest are pulling back because lack of leadership in this country is being rocked to it’s roots. Folks, this is where America needs to shine. We have the in ingenuity, the talent and the will to accomplish great things. Still. What needs to be added, is leadership in Congress and in the White House that is based on common sense. Outside influences (special interests) need to be fended off until we can contain the debt. Spend responsibly. And STOP being soooo negative all the time! Let’s stay positive and productive so that we don’t go the way of Greece and other European countries.

    Posted by Greg Munroe

  32. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Naval Postgraduate School Alumni


    The comments give a window to how close we are to London style problems!

    Posted by Jeff Scribner

  33. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    Per Angela’s comment, I have no problem with 5 weeks vacation providing that something is done during the other 47 Weeks. It is clear our elected officials don’t have the guts to make decision and do anything. I do agree to vote–vote all them out of their cushy jobs and don’t let any subsequent elected officials get comfortable in their jobs. Our founding fathers never intended an elected postion to be a lifetime career but this is what it turned into. We need new blood, a whole congress full of new blood and new thinking. We need business and technical people in government not lawyers that love to muddle up things. In China, their governing body is made up of all engineers and one geologist. Lawyers need not apply.

    Posted by Thomas Kesolits

  34. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    LOL. Poor Lawyers…but I can understand the sentiment.

    Red tape & the status quo need to go the way of the dodo if any real movement is going to take place in government. I don’t give a hoot which flavor of politician!!!

    I’m in sales, so I wouldn’t mind putting some sort of “bonus” structure in place for officials or government entities that can really effect positive change 😉 …Hey, we need to think out of the box sometimes to get things moving!!!

    I also believe we need to adopt an America-first policy. That is to say; that we need to produce and consume our own products. It would be painful to do, given that our labor is much more expensive in this country, and… that the profit-margins would be pinched, but better smaller profits and more people employed and consuming, (in general) than outsourcing and laying off.

    However, that can only change if we can manage NOT to tax small, medium and large manufcaturers to death! Sheeezzz, don’t penalize US Companies with taxes, taxes, taxes. Tax fairly, and stimulate growth.

    Posted by Greg Munroe

  35. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    You go Angela… We are taxed to death, especially the top tier who actually pay most of the taxes already. Not to mention the level of uncertainty it creates,along with cholingregulations, to Business. Enough! And by the way, folks, you dont rationalize bad behavior with people facing economic difficulties. No excuses for that hooligan class who decides to riot. Europe, the entire continent has been on the dole for years under socialist/liberal policies — similar to what Obama wants to bring here. We see the results! Entitlements are killing what used to be a strong work ethic.

    Posted by Michael Parente

  36. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    Michael: Please don’t forget that we are also in a era of “Politcal Correctness” where the only person not at blame is the person committing the crime. There is no excuse for hologonizm. There are those that are on the dole and those that want to be on the dole. How dare anyone working for a living, making a good wage, have what they have!!! This is their attitude and yes, it is manifested by our President and a majority of the Democrats.

    Posted by Thomas Kesolits

  37. Bob Hoelle says:

    We are supposed to be a civilized society. Unfortunately the mob mentality is just a good excuse for many to go shopping. I would be willing to bet that the majority of the rioters couldn’t give an estimate of what the unemployment rate even is. I am certainly against any form of police brutality, but we must be much more harsh with rioters in our country. The British authorities seemed to just be observers for the first several days of the riots, and I don’t think they ever did include their military to end it. It is disgusting to watch otherwise law abiding citizens become thugs for their own personal benefit.

  38. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    The only problem with the riots in London and in some other areas of the UK is that a lot of people are on benefits and get given a lot more help than those in other countries. The rioting was predominantly to do with looting and thieving rather than any true social problems.
    The main problems surrounding this was that people had been part of gangs. Gangs allow people to feel like they belong to something. Having other type clubs for people to join could stop a lot of problems that are caused by this wanting to belong. In America recently they have started the incentive of having basketball clubs and boxing clubs where if a member then becomes involved in criminal activity then they are instantly thrown out. The economic and social problems facing American young is often much worse than was seen in England where the rioting problem is very very rare.

    Posted by Emily Colette Taylor

  39. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    Whether riots will occur in the US depends on the location. Many states have a very well armed populace. Even with the L.A. riots in California back in 92 with oppressive gun laws, armed fiefdoms did spring up protecting certain neighborhoods and business sectors when the police or other authorities were incapable of completing their missions. While both sides may be armed, multiple riots over the decades have shown there is more stomach to protect something then there is to organize a clan of gun armed bandits and attack a neighborhood or business section that’s also protected with firearms. This is mostly true in the US however.

    Posted by Jason Verdugo

  40. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network

    Per Jason and Emily’s comments, we see the potential evolution to vigilanteism. Many states in the US, with NJ in particualar have very restrictie gun laws. After everything settles down and the legal system kicks in, those doing the protecting could be the ones facing changes not the ones ritoting. After traveling to UK a number of times and living in London for a short time, I was quite surprised by the riots. I always felt the British were a bit more civilized than us colonists. Emily could be correct. We have some cities that did explode in the 60’s and can do so again with the right instigation. Church groups and the like try to keep a lid on things, but my fear is that as our middle class moved downward with the continuing lack of jobs and residence foreclosures, this may be the initiator that sparks riots that would be far more extensive than those in the 60’s. I lived through those riots and some cities, such as Newark and Camben, New Jersey, never fully recovered.

    Posted by Thomas Kesolits

  41. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation


    Sadly, this is not the America of WWII. Our electorate now includes an increasing group that could be called, “the ignorentia,” those who don’t understand America’s greatness, and passionately believe in anti-American propaganda. Their beliefs are the seeds of riots and revolt. The danger they pose has been cultivated by the left, and the left’s supporting broadcast and print media, for decades. Propaganda fed to the ignorantia is as difficult to correct as a caged rabid animal, but targeting that group with the truths of our founing principles is the key to saving America.

    Posted by Ronald Bouwman

  42. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network


    I agree with Thomas also. We need to do away the arena of “Political Correctness” and hold our politicians as well as each other responsible for our behavior. I don’t believe we will see riots in the US and I certainly hope not because violence accomplishes nothing except to make a bad situation even worse. Like Thomas Kesolits states, some cities never recovered from the riots of the 60. Violence begest nothing. Use the power of your vote to send a message to all politicians. We will not stand for anymore rhetoric!

    What I do believe is that we will see more grass root movements were we become more politically and socially responsible. I would like to see those three (S&P) idiots who downgraded the US credit ratings be held accountable for such gross irresponsiblity. They don’t seem to understand economics theory or the term “multiplier effect.” Who is going to hold them accountable?

    I would like to see the politicans held more accountable for their mismanagement. Additionally, what I would like to see is that the era of political entitlements come to an end. What entitles a politican to serve two years in Washington but is entitled to full retirement without having to depend on social security like the rest of us?

    Posted by Angela E. Harris, MBA, Security+, GSLC

  43. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Conservatives of America


    When that “well runs dry”, and if Obama loses the election closely… I could see the former recipients of the “government dole” possibly taking it to the streets…

    Posted by Brian Kelly

  44. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network


    It seems we all have good comments but way aren’t more people chiming in.

    Regarding Angela’s comment on the S&P Idiots, S&P has a great track record of being wrong. Read the book “Monster” for a perspective. Those idiots said Leahman Brothers was a responsible and safe company. This idot put money into Lehamn brothers and successfully lost $100,000. After 2008, it was shown they are more wrong than right in their assessments.

    Posted by Thomas Kesolits

  45. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network


    This could easily happen in the US in the coming years. All that is needed is a large crowd of people and a trigger event to set them off. There have already been over 30 riots in the US since 1990. There have been numerous college student riots (such as the Virginia Springfest), many riots after sporting and rock concert events (such as Woodstock 1999, Guns N’ Roses had several), many racial tension riots (such as Rodney King LA riots 1992 or the 2001 Cincinnati riots), and some triggered by disasters (such as after Hurricane Katrina in 2005). Lack of jobs combined with racial, political or other tension and the use of convenient social networking technology to organize mass events may increase the potential for riots in the US. As it is difficult to predict when and where such an event could happen, local law enforcement will be critical as first responders to maintain civil order.

    Posted by John Jutila

  46. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Conservatives of America


    I think that you all may be right. The tone and tenor of the debate is out of control. We have left-leaning groups picturing Grandma being pushed off a cliff by pseudo-Paul Ryan. We have Obama being talked about like he is the Anti-Christ. The left is a very violent group. Remember the riots in Seattle. If cooler heads don’t prevail I think we will see a violent reaction from the left initially with an equally violent push back from the right.

    Posted by Richard Billies

  47. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation


    Who are the “we” who cannot change politics and must change ourselves? There are currently two clear options, continuation down the current path to national bankruptcy and the end of freedom, or restoration of the constitutional principles that made this the greatest nation in world history. I don’t find the second option at all objectional. There are ways out of this mess, and the Tea Party offers what most Americans want. We need an active conservative broadcast and print media, congressional term limits, a balanced budget amendment, a more vigorous attack on propaganda and willful character assassination, elimination of the Department of Education, restoration of the requirements for civics and history courses, a return to the old ban on public-sector unions, (ended by JFK), and an end to any and all governmental support for the ACLU. Many, if not all of these, will end demagoguery, incivility, and vote-buying by corrupt politicians of poor character.

    Posted by Ronald Bouwman

  48. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation


    Record unemployment, run-a-way government spending, political bickering at record levels, record real estate foreclosures putting more people on the street.

    I think we are sitting on a powder keg and waiting to see who strikes the match.

    Posted by James A. Pickens, Jr.

  49. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network


    I have to agree, the US has a bloody history in riots. If you go all the back, the US was literally born from a riot gone south, called the Boston Massacre.

    I believe the US is in a more fragile state than the rest of the world. As the economy continues to disintegrate with Government spending going everywhere other than the US economy, the social welfare checks will inevitably dry up. Unemployment will become such a problem that starvation will become an issue in urban centers simply because agricultural trucking failed to ship food.

    If the worse case scenarios play out, the US is more likely to enter into a chaotic civil war more so than just rioting.

    Don’t forget the current cut backs, defense and police forces are being down sized and many are being discontinued all together. So there will be no police to stop a civil war.

    The worse part will be all the factions. Some will run along racial lines. Other along political lines and other along union and anti-union lines. So, it will not be north and south, it will be pure chaos. Literally with the left side of the road against the right, because the left is wrong, or something that trivial.

    I do believe however, that it will be a flash in the pan event as everyone quickly realizes the futility and stupidity of it.

    Posted by Kirk John Larson, MBA, MPM

  50. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation


    I agree, James. It will be liberals who light the match, because they have lots to gain and little to lose.

    Posted by Ronald Bouwman

  51. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation


    Dallas was considered a hotbed of conservative (OK, right-wing) hostility to John Kennedy, a fact that didn’t go unmentioned in coverage of the Kennedy assassination. The fact continued to be mentioned even after Oswald was found to be a Castro supporter and Marxist.

    It was not the fear of conservative violence that caused Ann Coulter’s speech to be cancelled in Canada.

    It was a liberal who bit the finger off a man who disagreed with him on healthcare.

    It was Obama-loving Amy Bishop who took a gun to work and murdered co-workers.

    Joseph Stack flew his plane into the IRS building after writing an anti-conservative manifesto.

    It was liberals who destroyed AM radio towers outside of Seattle.

    It’s liberals who burn down Hummer dealerships.

    It was progressive SEIU union thugs who beat a black conservative man who spoke his mind.

    It’s doubtful that a conservative fired shots into a GOP campaign headquarters.

    In fact, Democrats have no monopoly on having their offices vandalized.

    Don’t forget it was Obama’s friend Bill Ayers who used terrorism as a tool for political change.

    SDS is still radical, with arrests in 2007 and the storming of the CATO Institute in July 2008.

    1980, when Allard Lowenstein, coincidentally a former congressman, was killed by Dennis Sweeney. Sweeney was a young man with untreated schizophrenia who had been Lowenstein’s protégé in the civil rights movement.

    The liberal press corp were beside themselves with the Jared Loughner Problem, who they were convinced was a card-carrying member of the Republican Party. He wasn’t a conservative; in fact, he hated Bush.

    Posted by Nicholas “Nick” Voss

  52. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network


    Kirk does make some interesting assumptions about the fragility of the American society, and a sect of the societies motivation to initiate a “civil war”. We are assuming that Americans as a whole are so divided in their principles, needs and beliefs that these groups “across America” will unite to overthrow the US Government.

    I do not believe that many think this plausible given the fact that even as bad as we think the situation is there is still an understanding that we have a voice. More plausible would be isolated riots in various highly populated areas due to loss or reduction of social benefits and a significant increase in the cost of living.

    We are looking at class wars (in the loose sense) where the gap between poor and rich become more extreme and the middle-class becomes merely a stepping stone to the other two classes rich or poor respectively.

    Other organizations or more likely enterprising individuals will take advantage of this localized regional upheaval as a vehicle to express there racial hatred, religious hatred, and or gender choice hatred.

    We Americans will not go into another civil war, but we are willing to inappropriately display our disgust for political decisions if there are enough people in one area to support us.

    Posted by Tony Darlington

  53. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network


    No, that is not correct, These factions will not need to over throw the Government because as the money dries up, the government will simply evaporate like water. Then it will be nothing but the blame game on steroids.

    I like Tony’s argument, it is sound and reasonable. I pray that is more the outcome than mine. But I cannot help believe that fear and frustration will still get the better of some. Hopefully, it is isolated and reasonably sound minds like Tony’s can prevail.

    Getting upset will not solve the problems. The media and the political groups fire up the public only to make headlines. But we need to realize is that the headlines are not solving problems either. We need real solutions or we may face real trouble.

    I really appreciate Tony’s comments, As Americans, we are entitled to gripe about our government. The Government is not entitled to gripe about us. What are they going to do, replace the citizens?

    Posted by Kirk John Larson, MBA, MPM

  54. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation


    The saddest part is that we are given to choice between two terrible options. Every four years a new set of terrible options. But why should we expect any different. To win the nomination the candidates must run to their respective edges. Playing to the fringe of their party.

    I no longer blame the politicians for this predictable chess match. I blame the voters. We have allowed the discourse to fall to this level. We suggest candidates who are more and more polarizing.

    We can not change politics, until we change ourselves.

    Posted by Jon Hall

  55. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network


    Well, I like some of the “alternate reality” story lines being considered here. Will this turn into “The Island” or another dystopia (due to disease an interesting and really quite fascinating variant was portrayed in “12 Monkeys” for example). But, rather than a “sci-fi” topic, how about a “sky-fi” topic in this defense forum? One interesting timeline variant is used as the backstory in that “sleeper” Microsoft game “Crimson Skies.”

    Well, the game creators wanted to create an old-fashioned “dog fight” video game that was sort of blend between Howard Hughes meets Captain Jack Sparrow. Huh? Well, forget the game for now, though it can be entertaining. But, the whole idea centers around that after WWI in this divergent timeline, the United States has collapsed, and air travel has become the most popular mode of transportation in North America; as a result, air pirates thrive in the world of “Crimson Skies.” But notice the similarities in the “classic Roaring 20’s and Great Depression era” themes and how it could be very similar to a modern day alternative. The “polticial backstory” can be found here:


    Well, though not TOTALLY out of the realm of possibility, the idea of a “more peaceful de-unification of the US” into both economically independent and geographical areas is not TRULY out of the question, even in today’s more modern and GLOBAL world. It might even resolve the federal debt issues, and then create an new economic rebound. Certainly, if the EU could work, then the “North American Economic Union” would then go beyond the current US boundaries. Heck, as bad a shape as it is in economically, California can still be ranked independently as what would be in the “top ten” highest GDPs in the world. And if early American history (such as the Civil War) had been different, then maybe I would living in Cascadia now:


    Yet, the US Federal Government, especially post WWII, is MUCH larger now. So, it would take a collapse of that establishment and a lack of trust and faith in the federal system to drive states and regions into seeking independence and greater autonomy.

    Posted by Mike Warden

  56. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Defense Industry Network


    Oh yes, I think, the money matters is being slightly over looked. Our entire political forum is predicated to money. Where would they hold conventions? Would there be any elections? Who would be on the endless repetition of commercials on television if the money dried up.

    The Federal Collapse is now inevitable, and all those government jobs will be added to the unemployment lines without their over glorified pensions. Oh but wait, there would not be any unemployment lines would there?

    My point was not fantasy, the money, US Currency, is the blood that our economy runs on. Yet, in three years Obama has spent $5 Trillion Dollars, and not one of those dollars in the US. In fact, all the US has gotten under the Obama administration is token ditch digging jobs? Where did the money go and why?

    I can tell you he (Obama) and his liberal friends can blame the military, but these wars didn’t cost $5 Trillion Dollars. Moreover, for a man opposed to wars, why did he open two more fronts, and why is the ATF, (an arm of the FBI) arming drug lords and terrorists in Mexico?

    The money matters and it is not sci-fi.

    Posted by Kirk John Larson, MBA, MPM

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