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SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

There is an interesting correlation between the most successful presidents over the past 80 years and those that have had extramarital affairs. Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, and Bill Clinton all had extramarital affairs before or during their terms of office. Only Ronald Reagan appears to be the exception to the rule. Is it any wonder that voters may be willing to overlook Newt Gingrich’s affair?  (More)

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50 Responses

  1. Did Carter have any extra-marital affairs?
    Is it possible that George Washington had an affair with Alexander Hamilton?

    • Realist says:

      It’s often said that Hamilton had a affair with John Laurens and known he had one with Maria Reynolds. But I think your theroy is far-fetched.

  2. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    I would like to believe that a President should be some kind of ethical role model ( a good one, not a bad one).

    Clintons were a major distraction… they were not for the others because the 24 hour news cycle was not around yet. ( Many knew about the many affairs of JFK.. they chose to stay quiet and let that be his private life).

    It will be interesting if Newt becomes the nominee because some Democrats may actually love him for that! He is one of them!!!!

    I still think Romney has the best overall skill set and experience. Newt is a WA insider and lobbyist. Never run a business. When was Newt ever in the private sector?

    I would vote for Newt is he is the nominee but would hold my nose the whole time.

    I wonder if wife #3 ( Calista) is watching the crowds to see if wife #4 is lurking out there waiting to take her place.?

    Maybe he is reformed.. more likely too old to keep up the chase!!

    Posted by Jennifer Wise

  3. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    The list could be longer if extended further back in time. There have even been reports of George Washington’s unfaithfulness, but those should be viewed with suspicion, since the liberal world has made many failed attempts at defiling him. Until BHO, the worst President in recent history was Jimmy Carter, and he was faithful to his wife. The best was Ronald Reagan, and he was also faithful. Clinton has been accused of many incidences. Neither Bush 41 or 43 have been suspected of infidelity. However, the democrats and their media tried to push a phoney charge against Bush 41, probably as a preemptive strike to reduce the damage that was certainly to come from all of Clinton’s escapades.

    JFK gets a lot of credit because he was assassinated, and because he was a democrat. Few now remember that he was a very poor president, and may not even have served a second term. Very early in office, he foiled the Bay of Pigs invasion, and many Americans died or were imprisoned. As a precipitate, the Cuban Missile crisis brought us so close to war that nuclear-armed bombers were deployed to civilian airports all across the United States, and our defense readiness went to the highest level.

    The most important point to be made is that democrats will enjoy the protection of the media while republicans must suffer its venom.

    Posted by Ronald Bouwman

    • Realist says:

      “Neither Bush 41 or 43 have been suspected of infidelity”.
      Redo. Have you forgotten Jennifer Fitzgerald? Selene Waters claims Reagan RAPED her! Ever hear that from corporate media?

  4. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    He sure has a grandiose image of himself and cuts himself a lot of slack on issues of moral integrity. Newt is glib; I’ll give him that, but then so was Obama on the campaign trail. I distrust glib and with good reason.

    Newt was also for Romneycare before he was against it.
    He claims to have balanced the budget for four straight years & paid off $405 billion in debt. The problem is that he net inceased the debt over this 4 years as speaker and only had two balanced budgets.

    Posted by Edith Hook

  5. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    I cannot criticize Newt because I am guilty of the same crimes. Thank God there is forgiveness by way of Jesus Christ for the wrongs I have done; otherwise, I’d be doomed to pay for these wrongs throughout eternity.

    Newt seems to be over his love affairs and remains faithful to the wife he now has. In fact, that’s all he talks about: Callista this. Callista that. He goes everywhere with her. As far as I can tell, he loves her a lot. They seem to be a great match. I think she would make a greaat First Lady. She certainly has the poise and demeanor.

    Posted by Nicholas “Nick” Voss

  6. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    What? Callista was sneaking around with a married man for 6 years. So, yes, they do, indeed, make a great match.

    Posted by Edith Hook

  7. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    “A First-Rate Madness” is an interesting book on this topic (among others) by Nassir Ghaemi.

    Posted by Dr. Dorothy McCoy

  8. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Oh for crying out loud, I think we all need to do a “mic check” as the OWS would say. who cares. We are all guilty of indicretions in one way or another, and i would certainly challenge anyone that hasn’t. I am no saint and I am no sinner………..life just happens. Its up to you if you want to experience different relationships in life.

    Monkey wrench………………….would you vote for a someone who was the most capable of the POTUS if he/she were gay or transexual?

    Posted by Sue DeGregorio-Rosen, RN, CLNC

  9. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Please, I don’t care one way or another what the Gingrich’s did or didn’t do but I draw the line at tholding them up as role models, as Nick has suggested.

    Posted by Edith Hook

  10. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Role model for perhaps commitment issues in romantic relationships & marriage, that could be a Dr. Phil episode…………

    But, Edith, I am pretty much up front, and I have been married three times…………it doesn’t make me less a leader in what I know, and what I have very strong convictions about. We grew up in a different era, a different enviorment, we all make choices, and all I have to say is “Oh, by the Grace from God go I”.

    He is not running for husband of the year. That could be a detriment also, depending on how you look at it. And its his personal life & business, wasn’t done while he was president, did not say I did not have sex with that woman. (and even that is a matter of interpretation of what some view as sex), I say it was sex, my daughter tells me no……..

    Posted by Sue DeGregorio-Rosen, RN, CLNC

  11. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    C’mon people- are we trying to elect Jesus Christ- who I believe begged forgiveness for sinning? We are all humans, thus infallible. No candidate we can vote for is perfect. Talk about a divorced man and an affair- how could any of you conservatives have voted for Ronald Reagan? Do you know if he was doing things with Nancy while still married to his first wife?

    I am not trying to find a saint to sit in the oval office- I want a person who can be a leader and a statesman.

    The left loves Kennedy and Clinton- both of whom put Warren Harding and Newt Gingrich to shame when it comes to infidelity.

    Posted by Morris Gosa, LC

  12. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Ronald Reagan was married and divorced from Jane Wyman before he married Nancy. Ronald Reagan turned ok as President I would argue. JFK had a stream of women going in and out of the White House. The United States is the only country in the world that makes a deal out of what a man and a women said to each other in the privacy of their bedroom about their marriage or other similar intimate relationship. Why ?

    In Canada, we had a Prime Minister Pierre Elliott Trudeau. While he was still in power and governing he had affairs , the most famous was with Barbara Striesand. His wife Margaret, went and had an affair with Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones no less. Guess how much the media in Canada talked about this ?…A big fat 0 !! We don’t care what people do in private regarding sex or whatever. Its our belief it has nothing to do with governing a nation and its a personal thing that is nobody else’s business. To think otherwise is just childish and immature. And its cheap.

    President Sarkozy of France has a mistress. Its open knowledge and the media and the people make zero fuss about it. In Europe there are judges and legislators with a mistress or two and it does not make news.

    Silvio Berlusconi in Italy had orgies which didn’t even generate excitement for the news only until he started having flings with girls even younger than some of his grandchildren. He entered the sick in the head category and thats where the line was drawn.

    The bread and butter things are what are the main priorities…not this penthouse forum stuff the media is so infatuated…and as in the case with ABC…they don’t even COLLABORATE the story and they still air the interview with the ex-wife. Are they nuts ? It’s only heresay. A person granted a platform with the media will say anything to smear the other person of course. Get a life people. If you’re not a witness then you can’t say what happened for sure right ? Has anyone thought maybe Marianne, Newts ex maybe completely lost her sex drive and so the huge strain put on the man was just too unbearable ? So what ! Nobody really knows and nobody should care.

    Posted by Gus Cacciotti

  13. EWRoss says:

    Excellent comments. Exactly what I expected when I wrote my column. But keep in mind eveyone, America was founded by Puritans and other religous groups fleeing pursecution in Europe. They brought with them their strict morality which has remained strong in American culture–Evangelical Christians, etc. That’s all changing now as the demographics and culture of America change. Nevertheless, don’t underestimate it. One big difference between Newt and the other presidents I talked about–and I hope you all read the column–is that Newt Married Callista, converted to Catholicism, and admits he was a sinner. That probably wouldn’t have worked for JFK had he divorced Jackie and married Marylin, but that’s another topic.

  14. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    My point exactly, Gus! FDR died with his mistress by his side- not his wife. Nobody talks about that.
    Sex and politics- just like peanut butter and jelly!

    Posted by Morris Gosa, LC

  15. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    lol…good one bud.

    Posted by Gus Cacciotti

  16. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Lame stream media is in the tank for Obama and Romney it seems. Whats that tell ya ?

    You watch even FOX News who I frame as ‘fair and balanced’ and more right of center and you see news contributors like Brit Hume and Ann Coulter who both are in the tank for Mitt Romney…Big Money !….watch out folks for the mass propaganda …they’re trying to throw the Obama towel or the Romney towel over evryone’s head. Either one gets in and its more of the same.

    Posted by Gus Cacciotti

  17. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Ed, you are right. JFK would have never admitted anything- just as his protégée Bill Clinton admits nothing.

    The religious freedom all our ancestors sought 3 centuries ago is nothing to snub your nose at. It is still very strong, but time changes everything. I think it only changes the amount of discussion taking place about the situation.

    “The Scarlet Letter” is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the church and sex. That is the Puritan Church. What about the Catholic Church? I will not go into the Baptist Church and the issues there.

    As you said, Newt took the issue head on. We all need to do that.

    Posted by Morris Gosa, LC

  18. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Okay, I’ll weigh in where Angels dare not tread…

    Presidents from JFK, to Bill Clinton, Senators from Larry Craig (remember ol’ Larry? ♪♪♪ Tap, tap, tap with my foot under the men’s stall, means…♪♪♪), to…ad nausea. We would like our Presidents, our CEOs, or men and women charged with high office and high responsibility to be less sexually driven, but they are not. Testosterone seems to go with the job…unless, of course, we only want presidents who “Lust in their hearts”, like Jimmy Cahtah, and I didn’t much care for Jimmy.

    As with Nick, I am guilty of some of those same “infidelities” in my past life, the one before I had an “EX” and met “THE ONE”. I’ve been asked several times over the years to run for office. In the GOP. Positions I would have loved to have been in…but, I, as with Bill Clinton, smoked Marijuana, aka Weed. Only I inhaled (as did Bill, of course, but he lied about it). I had affairs (in my past life…before 1984), but, I did admit to them. Can you imagine the fun my “EX” would have had if I had run for office? Whoopee! “Got that a$$hole now!” NO, Damn right I wasn’t going to run for office, and put my wife (CURRENT life), and my kids, and her kids, through that hell. Not then, not today, never.

    The idea that we must have leaders who have never “Gone against polite society’s rules” is nonsense. The term “Pure and Capable of Leading” is Oxymoronic. Can we really trust a president who has led a life so pure and angelic that they have never risked taking a chance? Not in my world. Do they have to have had affairs or smoked Weed, or done something else “wrong” to qualify? Of course not. But, if they have, that does not rule them out, not in my book. And if they have admitted to their failures, and asked for forgiveness, then, again in my book, they are made of the kind of stuff I want in a president. The Media, those in the public eye who are clucking their tongues, and those in the American public who are finding horrific fault with those who have made mistakes, are making “Much Ado About Nothing” Those who have made mistakes, owned up to them, and are otherwise capable of the kind of leadership we need, are better for being “Human” in my book, and have by their action of “Owning up”, proven that they are willing to be held accountable. In my opinion only, of course.

    Posted by Spencer A. Lehmann, RHU

  19. Bob says:

    I have a hard time giving any credence to a candidate’s life outside of his ability to lead and protect. If we could put up with president Clinton’s life in politics, we can certainly put up with Newts. “Alleged” extra martial affairs are always spun way out of proportion by the liberal media when they involve republican candidates. At least Newt didn’t use the highway patrol as a pimp while they were being paid by the state.

  20. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Spencer – I think you are right about the testosterone link. Someone with a lot of testosterone is going to be more assertive – for better or worse. More often than not, the assertive make good leaders.

    Posted by Daniel Jones

  21. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    There has been a few times that I have had this conversations with others. Soooooooooo, here goes as controversial as it is.

    The Bible that most Christians believe to be the truth and I have taught for many years says to me that there is no perfect man that has ever lived on this earth but Jesus. If that is true and stated in almost every way possible, then where is the controversy? In other words is a sin a sin, or do “we the people” have the ability to say which sin is the worst sin for God. Furthermore, there are many examples throughout the readings clearly state that if a person sins with occurrence of sin and if he repents he will be saved. If saved, what gives other folks the right to judge that person “less ye be judged” in the first place.

    Normally, I don’t lead with my opinion of how we are to live our lives. It seems so condescending for me or anyone else to tell others familiar with the Bible, why they are wrong and why my believe is so right, unless asked. It would be my preference to give someone a copy of the Bible and allow them to see for themselves.

    Having said all that, it’s my understanding according to Gingrich, he heard, he believed, he repented, and he confessed his sins. We should leave the rest to God.

    Vote on the candidate that can further the cause of Conservatism with a superb ability to express it articulately. It’s the only real chance that we have to take our country back.

    BTW, show me a man that can actually tell us that he’s never committed adultery in his heart. I wager there will be none if telling the truth. All Christians know what the Bible says about that, don’t we. The principals of the Bible are extremely important, but we must stay away from judgement, because we don’t KNOW much about what’s in a person’s heart.

    Posted by Beverly Farrar

  22. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Beverly, great comments. I don’t view this as much from a “Biblical” perspective as from a “Secular Moral” perspective (I’m an observing Jew, but more from a “Reform” Jew perspective, reform spelled with a small “r”. I like a good ham and swiss on rye).

    That said, no matter how we come to our conclusions, we arrive at the same conclusions, and I agree.

    Daniel: Thank you for your support of my suggestion. Actually, it isn’t my suggestion, though I’m surprised at the seeming dearth of information available on this subject, and the lack of media attention to this issue. There are a number of psychologists and psychiatrists who have advanced these theories for many years, and if one studies the histories of those such as JFK, Bill Clinton, Lyndon Johnson, Warren Harding, Thomas Jefferson, James Garfield, and Franklin Roosevelt, these men have been determined to have been strong presidents (unlike a certain sitting president today).

    There are “several” other Presidents that had proven affairs that was before they became Presidents. Also there are “several” sitting Presidents that were never proven to have had affairs, like George H.W. Bush Sr.

    Newt Gingrich is a Republican. How do Republican Senators, Representatives, and other paragons of virtue measure up as moral persons who are not “totally” pure? Let’s see, Bob Barr, Rep, Louis Beres, a past chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon, Jim Bunn, Rep, President of the United States George W. Bush, was accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of rape and was also accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper, who was quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999 (weak, perhaps, but it is there, and unaccounted), Helen Chenoweth, Congresswoman (R-Id.). In 1995, Chenoweth admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate, but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: “I’ve asked for God’s forgiveness, and I’ve received it,” she revealed!!! A HIGHER AUTHORITY forgave her…end of subject, Ken Calvert, Congressman (R-California), Rudy Giuliani, Rush Limbaugh, Lewis “Scooter” Libby…ad naseum. The list goes on and on.

    Am I suggesting that only Republicans are “guilty” of being human, of course not! The Democrats are equally…horny. I have only touched on the tip of the ice-burg. My point is that for anyone to make an issue out of Newt Gingrich’s past imbroglios borders on the nonsensical, and is a red herring put there to distract us from the real issues at had, in determining who will make the best leader to “unseat” Barack Obama and to lead this country. I’ll vote for Mitt; my personal choice and my money for the man who can truly accomplish what we need accomplished, is on Newt.

    Posted by Spencer A. Lehmann, RHU

  23. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    We have one Pompous and arrogant you know what in the White House now.. why get a second one?

    Romney, Santorum or Paul are more humble and seem to have much better ethical values.

    If Newt is the nominee I will hold my nose as I said above… he is smart and if you forget it he reminds you about 10 times a day.

    Arrogance…. not a good thing in anyone. Having some humility is strength.

    I don’t expect perfect because none of us are but Newt has a way of deflecting all the pain he caused others as if he is the victim. He really doesn’t have a clue.

    That said… he would be better than Obama and would have a better TEAM.

    CALLING CHRIS CHRISTIE AND PAUL RYAN AND JIM DEMINT AND OTHERS… THERE IS STILL TIME TO GET IN TO THIS RACE!

    Of the four running now my 1st choice is Romney as someone with not only the right skill set but some actual moral values that our kids can look to and not wonder if he is a liar and cheater.

    I will support the nominee. I prefer we beat up Obama and that terrible administration and keep our focus on why the far left is wrong for this country.

    Powerful men ( and likely women too) have acted poorly in many cases.

    Posted by Jennifer Wise

  24. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    What does it say, however, about a candidate who preaches “traditional family values” and criticizes an opposition party President for his extramarital affairs at the same time he’s carrying on his own affair?

    I’m not sure you can draw conclusions at the national level from the results of a primary in one southern state.

    Posted by Kevin Barry

  25. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Bill Clinton was diddling around with young interns. He used the power of the office to hold sway over people and many were very young, like Monica Lewinsky.

    That is manipulation and goes beyond any act of sex. It is kind of like the gay mayor of Portland Oregon ( Sam Adam, yes that is really his name) going after really young guys and putting them on his ” staff” ( pun intended and his actual mayoral staff also!:)

    Also happened in Spokane WA where Major Jim West hired young guys then made them his lovers.. Jim West died of cancer but it was an abuse of the office regardless if hetero or homosexual.

    I think having some standards of decency in or out of office is a GOOD thing.

    Posted by Jennifer Wise

  26. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Jennifer, we are all entitled to our own opinions, but I must respectfully disagree with yours, as expressed in the first post above this.

    I do not consider Newt Gingrich to be arrogant. Nor do I consider him to be pompous. After is public whippings regarding his ethics and philandering incidents it is doubtful that he has not learned some humility. He is very intelligent, intellectual, and is indeed wise in the workings of politics in the “Beltway”. That is not a bad thing, and I think it to be more a good thing than those who have not experienced Washington DC at its worst, which Romney (the only one of the four with no Beltway experience) doesn’t have. Romney does have, undoubtedly, experience in dealing in the high levels of Corporate Takeovers, Corporate Boardrooms, and high level financial machinations as experienced by those who earn over $1 Million per year, let alone those who earn in the $10 Million and over per year neighborhood.

    You imply that Newt Gingrich’s behavior is of a nature equally despicable as Clinton and Jim West (Spokane’s Mayor before he was the House Financial Institutions Chair in the WA State Legislature. I agree that Clinton’s and West’s behavior was of a nature beyond the marital slips of Gingrich or FDR, but to suggest that it equals the level of misbehavior of Clinton or West, who obviated their responsibility to the young , is far more than just a stretch. It is ludicrous. And a BTW, I knew Jim West, I worked with him when I took the Insurance Commissioner Richard Marquardt before the Senate Financial Institutions Commission before JARRC (Joint Administrative Rules Review Committee) of the WA State Legislature in 1990 in my capacity as President of the Washington Association of Health Underwriters. We were all stunned when we found out about Jim’s homosexual activities, but he did not die as a result of those activities. Overall, he was a good man, with a good heart, who made very seriously wrong choices. He paid for his mistakes when he died, young, and disgraced, without having been tried, except in the court of public opinion.

    You included Ron Paul in your list of possibles for president. Really? Ron Paul of the anti-Semitic persuasion, of the anti-African American persuasion, of the “I didn’t do it, someone else musta done it, when I wasn’t looking! And to make matters worse, they collect my $1 Million plus, and lied, they said it was me!” persuasion? Jennifer, what does that say about you level of morals and standards of decency? I’m sure you misstated your comment, and have no doubt that you are a moral and upstanding person, but it isn’t such a hot idea to be so quick to condemn others and imply that you are without any level of tolerance.

    More importantly, neither Rick Santorum nor Ron Paul will be in the final vote for GOP Nominee. That simply isn’t going to happen.

    I agree, Jennifer, that having standards of decency in or out of office is important, but if we’re going to look for the perfect, never made a mistake, never was subject to human frailties, candidate then we will be very hard-pressed to find a candidate for president who most of us could stomach leading this country, unless of course, you’d like to see Jimmy Cahtah have a rerun. I’ll pass, thank you.

    Repeating my earlier comments, either Mitt Romney will get my vote, or Newt Gingrich will. I’ll not have to “hold my nose” for either.

    Posted by Spencer A. Lehmann

  27. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Ron Paul can get away with anything cause everyone knows he does not have an ice cube’s chance in hell to win the GOP nomination. ” Racist papers…what papers?…oh those…well I didn’t write them..and I didn’t authorize them..”…Ron Paul…you are one wild and crazy guy.

    Newt…either he can be a sex symbol or the first President to do Weight Watchers commercials….completely harmless….lol.

    Posted by Gus Cacciotti

  28. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    HaHa! How did Ron Paul and Mitt Romney get dragged into a discussion about extra-marital affairs?

    Posted by Daniel Duckworth

  29. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    When talking about being too quick to judge and lack of forgiveness for folks who are trying to live their lives in according to Biblical teachings. I think of Paul alias Saul. Most of us wouldn’t have had the good judgement to choose him as an ambassador for the Word. He only murdered Christians as a profession but was forgiven and became such. My thought says that it would be incumbent upon us to show our children what is right, but that even the most egregious mistakes can be forgiven if we go to our maker. (my opinion and not meant to offend anyone)

    Having said that, it’s my belief that we should concentrate on nominating the person that can articulate the best conservative ideas and will be able to influence the people to vote for him in the general election.

    Posted by Beverly Farrar

  30. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Daniel, I don’t know. RP always makes an entrance into every discussion. :-))

    Posted by Beverly Farrar

  31. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Daniel, Ron Paul and Mitt Romney got “dragged into this” when Jennifer Wise said, “We have one Pompous and arrogant you know what in the White House now.. why get a second one? Romney, Santorum or Paul are more humble and seem to have much better ethical values.”

    The implication clearly states that Jennifer would prefer to vote for Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, or Rick Santorum before Newt Gingrich (who would cause her to hold her nose). Since he was introduced into this thread as being, by implication, pure and decent, and a good role model for the young, I took reservation and pointed out why.

    That’s it, with the addendum that Beverly is right…he does seem to “worm his way” into every discussion, one way or another. :)

    Posted by Spencer A. Lehmann, RHU

  32. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Spence, I beg to differ on “Jimma Cahtah” he admits to lusting in his heart, which to him is a sin. Nobody is perfect.
    Peanut butter and jelly is great, evan while running for the white house.

    Posted by Morris Gosa, LC

  33. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

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    Spencer.. actually Jim West was a good Mayor and a good representative before Cathy McMorris Rogers. It is too bad about him because you are right.. he did have a lot of good and did not get a trial ( for the rest of you, the City of Spokane recalled him for Mayor and then he died of cancer not too long after that._

    I know people from the Boys Scouts from the 1970’s and they suspected he was gay then and had unnatural attraction to the teens he was a leader of. He is dead now.

    Newt at least cheated with consenting adults. I cannot say that about Bill Clinton ( Juanita Broderick said he raped her… Paula Jones said it was all not consenting on her part.. and luring an intern or two or 10 is really sleazy.

    I do NOT want Ron Paul as President but if the choice came to RP or Obama with no hope of anyone else… I would get on the RP train baby!

    I expect NONE of them to be perfect. Newt just reminds me a little too much of Clinton lite. At least he goes with consenting adults. Newt turns me off when he preaches family values and he tore up two families.

    Time will tell if he has changed. I also don’t remember Newt being around Reagan too much.

    WHO WOULD REAGAN BE BACKING IF HE WERE ALIVE? Newt sure has co opted the Reagan card but I am not convinced Reagan would be behind Newton.

    I want to get or Obama and the massive regulations and the massive spending. We need to stop this Obama train and move in a much healthier direction for our fiscal sanity and for liberty.

    Posted by Jennifer Wise

  34. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: The Heritage Foundation

    Discussion: CAN NEWT GINGRICH WIN THE NOMINATION AND THE ELECTION?

    Well said, Rudy. Unfortunately, we’ll eventually be compelled to support the final nominee, whoever it may be. The only other options are BHO or another Ross Perot spoiler that would sew it up for BHO. Right now, the most competent and honorable Christian conservative is in third place.

    Posted by Ronald Bouwman

  35. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Politics on the Rocks

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    I think it is safe to say that the GOP nominee will be Mitt or Newt unless somebody else gets in very quickly.

    And I will support the nominee. Santorum doesn’t have enough name recogniation and he will not get the needed Independents because of the perception that he is too far to the right.

    He seems like a very fine person and a real Catholic who lives those values. I don’t think he will win but I can see Rick Santorum in an administration.

    Posted by Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 3200+ Connects!)

  36. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Politics on the Rocks

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    Jennifer, you said, “I want to get or Obama and the massive regulations and the massive spending. We need to stop this Obama train and move in a much healthier direction for our fiscal sanity and for liberty.”

    Amen to that, Jennifer! I am even surprised at myself, never thought I’d be an Anybody but…and I am. ABO, Anybody but Obama! That Socialist, lying (transparency?), Chicago style pol exemplifies the phrase “Whatever it takes.” He has personally taken the dictum, “The End of the American Era” as his responsibility to complete. He and his cohorts are dangerous. They need to go, now. We cannot afford to have them in ofice for one day longer than the end of this term.

    Spot on, Jennifer!

    Posted by Spencer A. Lehmann, RHU

  37. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Politics on the Rocks

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    My mistake. Jim West was not the Rep prior to Cathy McMorris Rogers for the 5th District of Wa state. He was a State Senator not US Rep.

    And to not besmirch a dead guy… in many ways he was a good State Senator and he was a good Mayor except for the hiring and grooming of very young men on his staff theat he groomed to be lovers..that is downright icky.

    Prior to CMR it was George Nethercutt and he unseated then Speaker of the House, Tom Foley ( Democrat).

    Back to the Debate tonight… where are the ex girlfriends of Obama? He was not real young when he married. Did Rahm E and the others get rid of them?

    I cannot believe that not a single woman out there doesn’t have anything to say about dating Obama??????

    Posted by Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 3200+ Connects!)

  38. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Politics on the Rocks

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    Good point Jennifer. I’ve often wondered why we can get very very little information on his history, his grades, his thesis, etc. It’s just like pulling teeth, so to speak. No girlfriends prior to Michelle??? It would be my opinion that there probably were. Like you, I am wondering where all the little dahlin’s are? Now wouldn’t that be a topic for discussion if one of those folks had a tale to tell?

    Posted by Beverly Farrar

  39. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Politics on the Rocks

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    Jennifer…I apologize if I said anything that led you to think that Jim West was a US Senator…my connection with Jim was via the state Senate…he chaired JARRC for the legislature. JARRC is the judicial arm that has some judicial powers over the Leg.

    Re your comment about Obama and HIS “past”…I don’t know…it is possible, I guess, that he has a clean history, which could account for some of his seeming hesitancy to take really demanding and difficult stances against those like Ahmadinejad and Iran. ‘Course, that’s just a “gossipy” “s’pposen” (as Beverly might say…Ah’ve been wonderin’ whare the little dahlin’s are, too…:) :).

    Posted by Spencer A. Lehmann, RHU

  40. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Politics on the Rocks

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    Spencer, it was not you. My post said he was there before Cathy McMorris Rogers and that is wrong. They knew each other ( Jim West said he would go for her if she was not married… nice way to deflect being gay.).

    I felt sorry for Jim West at the end. He railed openly about being anti gay and then it turns out he was probably gay from at least his teen years.

    I think we need to focus more on Obama and his message of race baiting and class warfare. I think that is where we can win.

    Posted by Jennifer Wise

  41. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Politics on the Rocks

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    Sue, Obama was introduced to Frank Marshall Davis, the devout Communist, by his grandfather in Hawaii, probably at the request of Stanley Dunham, Obamas mom.

    I agree… he has always been groomed to be a communist/socialist.marxist.

    Read his book ( Dreams of my Father) and you see how he emulated the father who hates Britain and the USA.

    It is very clear who Obama is if you bother to read and find out through his life and his own words.

    It is very sad for America that too many fell for this Pied Piper of Socialism and worse.

    Obama knows how to work a crowd but governing and understanding economics is way out of his skill set.

    Posted by Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 3200+ Connects!)

  42. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Politics on the Rocks

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    Jennifer, your new discussion group about trying to find more information has me confounded. Why on earth did we never hear of most of these accusations and I fear, facts? Yes he was whisked into the office without a single one of these well known rumors or facts (whichever the case) being mentioned.

    Was I out to lunch, or am I right?

    Posted by Beverly Farrar

  43. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Politics on the Rocks

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    Bev, there is at least 6 years of his life ( two years at Occidental College in LA and then the Columbia years in NYC) where little is known.

    Where are his professors and fellow students? Where is his thesis? What are his grades/transcripts? He lived off campus with a Pakistani drug user for part of that time. He also travelled to Pakistan during this time.

    WHY IS HE HIDING THIS PERIOD of time???? It just doesn’t look good. He was not young when he and Michelle married so what about his personal and dating life?

    Did all of those people get killed off?????

    Bev, you are not out to lunch Other than Sean Hannity on Fox and a few others, very little was investigated in 2008 ( maybe because Hillary was expected to win?)

    Obama has defied the odds…. his life is really strange. The life of everyone else gets a fine tooth comb but not him…. EVER.

    Posted by Jennifer Wise ( LION Networker 3200+ Connects!)

  44. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Politics on the Rocks

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    “Obama has defied the odds…. his life is really strange. The life of everyone else gets a fine tooth comb but not him…. EVER.”

    Jennifer, I have never really thought about it until now! Damn, that makes me feel like I’ve been “out-to-lunch”, as with Beverly, and I try to keep really current on all of “My Politics”. How the hell is it that this has never been brought up by any of the media, left leaning or right?

    This is beginning to have the “feel” of Obama’s definition of Transparent, as defined by his actions with the jamming through of the PPACA, secret back room meetings with Big Pharma, Unions, the NEA, AMA, and any whom were felt to be able to be bought off, I.e. Ben nelson and Blanche Lincoln. Opaque black colored windows would best describe Obama’s real beliefs about transparency.

    It appears that much of Obama’s life is also “Opaque”.

    Posted by Spencer A. Lehmann, RHU

  45. Yamo 66 says:

    You missed an important one: Warren Harding. One example of how bad his womanizing was: in 1923, he and Mrs Harding were traveling across the US by train. At Yellowstone Park, he posed for a picture with a group of young women, and the report was that the Secret Service had their hands full protecting the women from the president!! When the Hardings arrived at the Palace Hotel in San Francisco, the president allegedly died of a heart attack at the age of 57. I say allegedly because Mrs Harding had him cremated within two hours of his death. The rumor is that she poisoned him, fed up with all of his womanizing.

    As I imagine many readers know, panels of professional historians frequently rank Harding as the worst president of all time.

    Thus, the theory goes out the window!

  46. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Friends of Republican Candidates (The FORCE)

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    Has it come to this?

    Posted by Doug Guetzloe

  47. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Tea Party Connect – From A Business View

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    But Reagan, by most any reasonable measure, was the most successful of all. I think among the most important and strategic words of the 20th century uttered by a US President were “Mr. Gorbachev tear down that wall” and his response to Gorbachev when questioned about the outcome of the Cold War “Easy. We win, you lose.” Beats the heck out of “Ich bin ein Berliner” and “Depends on what the definition is is”. Personal morality is an important component of true leadership. Voters will overlook it as we have continued to lower our standards bar.

    Posted by Jerry Custin

  48. Reposted from LinkedIn says:

    LinkedIn Group: Tea Party Connect – From A Business View

    Discussion: SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENTS AND EXTRAMARITAL AFFAIRS

    It is a nearly unique feature of US-American politics to make the private life an election issue. In Continental Europe, the private life is usually ignored while in other parts of the World, one could say that it is not even ignored. Like in China, where even the idea of a private life of a politician seems outlandish. But then, they don’t have much election issues either, anyway.
    If the ignorance of the private life and the marital conduct is a product of any lowering of standards, remains another question. Maybe people are just too worried about the economy, taxes and foreign affairs to consider domestic affairs an issue. If posed before the question of preference either for a perfect husband who will tax you till you bleed or a philandrer who lets you prosper, whom would you chose? After all, the fellow is responsible for his own extra-marital irresponsability and won’t stop just because you don’t vote for him while the other fellow won’t stop taxing you just because you voted for him; actually quite to the contrary he’d take it for legitimation to tax you even harder.

    And finally, the is the famous argument featuring that equally quite famous Austrian politician who came to some prominence and reached an elevated position in Germany who did not smoke, did not drink, did not eat meat and did not cheat on his wife and still is anything but widely beloved today.

    Posted by Ingo Potsch

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